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September 14, 2005updated 19 Aug 2016 10:11am

Oracle, Siebel Questions Abound

By CBR Ebusiness Consulting Editor Angela Eager (Jason Stamper is on vacation) The only thing that was surprising about the proposed Oracle-Siebel deal was the timing; in that there was no apparent reason for the announcement to come out now,

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The only thing that was surprising about the proposed Oracle-Siebel deal was the timing; in that there was no apparent reason for the announcement to come out now, especially with Oracle due to host its user conference in San Francisco next week.

However, expectation has done nothing to reduce the number of questions swirling around what it means for Oracle, Siebel, their respective customers and the CRM industry as a whole.

The fall of the CRM market founder is the clearest indication yet that the CRM market has undergone fundamental change and that the old guard is being replaced. It also cuts the enterprise CRM market down to major two vendors, Oracle and SAP.

While the deal gives Oracle a CRM boost and is expected to give Oracle and SAP level pegging in the CRM market share stakes this year, with 15% each according to AMR Research, even their size is no guarantee of future success as both are under pressure from on-demand vendors such as

That the new model is a threat was evident when SAP admitted recently that it was planning a hosted CRM service this year and with Oracle apparently planning to put more emphasis on its hosted CRM option at its imminent user conference. Microsoft’s about face on on-demand CRM last week was also testament to its rising position.

Predictably, CEO Marc Benioff greeted the news with enthusiasm saying it would create new opportunities for "Oracle put Siebel investors out of their misery today," he said. "We have been doing that for Siebel customers for years. Client/server software is being consolidated by Oracle just as mainframe software was consolidated by Computer Associates."

"Oracle’s strategy is simple," Benioff said. "Instead of innovating, buy as much installed software as possible, call it all Oracle Fusion, and make sure it all uses Oracle’s database. Now, the same thing that happened to PeopleSoft will happen to Siebel, it will die.”

Benioff asserted that the industry would not remember Siebel, that it will be a bygone name and brand as Oracle milks the revenue from its 4,000-strong customer base.

While reports of Siebel’s complete and utter demise are premature, there are major issues for the existing customer base. But at the same time there is no reason to panic. Oracle plans to support Siebel for the foreseeable future and its treatment of the PeopleSoft customer base indicates that it has sufficient understanding of user concerns and is unlikely to take radical action to further unsettle what will become an important revenue stream.

Although, ultimately, it will incorporate Siebel CRM into Fusion, it also plans to continue selling the suite via a dedicated sales force, at least initially, and it will safeguard the Siebel offering because Oracle also plans to make it the centre of its CRM strategy. It makes perfect sense because Siebel’s CRM functionality is superior to Oracle’s.

However, while that might be good news for Siebel customers, it raises questions for former PeopleSoft CRM customers – who could be using CRM functionality from Vantive, PeopleSoft’s newer model or JD Edwards’s You Centric-based CRM software – because these could be sidelined as well as those Oracle customers who have opted for Oracle CRM.

Oracle says it also plans to continue developing Siebel’s on demand product. That makes sense on one level because Oracle’s hosted offering has never taken off and only has 200 or so customers while Siebel On Demand is the fastest growing area of Siebel’s business. However, it is also written in IBM DB/2, uses IBM’s WebSphere platform and is hosted in IBM data centres. Given that Oracle is battling with IBM in the database and middleware spheres there is a question over whether this objective is achievable.

Although Oracle says its relationship with IBM has improved since the acquisition of PeopleSoft, whose technology was also IBM-centric and who was effectively IBM’s largest ISV, it is difficult to see how it can continue especially as Fusion is all about moving Oracle’s diverse applications onto its infrastructure stack.

A key issue for Oracle and its customers is just how well it will manage the integration and redevelopment of the Siebel product line along with its other home grown and acquired products. It is a huge challenge. For CRM alone there are seven code bases to contend with.

Outside the CRM arena there are also additional code bases to add to the mix as a result of other acquisitions such as the Retek buy. Far from settling, the dust is still rising from the news about Siebel.

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